Curse

Gun Pierson · Jan 28, 2009, 01:25 AM // 01:25

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

The problem is you are reducing the players who use their tonic to a bunch of malicious griefing jerks. That is not true nor is it fair to demonize those players to get your way.

My suggestion was to adjust the sound so only the owner of the Yeti can still hear it. This would exactly make the difference between fair people and malicious griefers. Fair people won't mind that little adjustment as they can still enjoy the yeti sound.

I'm sure the fair players using the tonics don't want to be associated with the griefers, like you indicate yourself. The suggestion I make is in the best intrest of those fair players and at the same time of the community. It only shuts down the griefers, which imo is beneficial to the game in general.

Daesu · Jan 28, 2009, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

What I am saying is the whole theory of someone purposely going into Kamadon with a Yeti tonic and making as much noise as possible just to annoy others is not happening.

And what makes you so sure that absolutely no one is doing this for the sheer fun of annoying people? So if I do this right now with my Yeti tonic I can simply prove you wrong right this moment.

I am sure there would be some who do that because it is fun to hear others complain about it, change district, or turn off their sound as recommended by some people here.

silv3rr · Jan 28, 2009, 07:39 AM // 07:39

Down with griefers.

I completely empathize with the OP. A simple thing that all should abide by in life in general is: have as much fun as you want, as long as your fun doesn't become a hindrance on others.

The ones that think the majority should change district or turn down their sound is a plausible solution is naive/arrogant with a mix of ignorance. Why do I say that? Simple, as mentioned by many others prior to this post, why should others adjust just because someone wants to have fun? This argument goes both ways.

It really just comes down to those using the excuse "just having fun" have a lot of growing up to do. Those people need to understand life is NOT LIKE THAT and need to just grow up. It's a horrible generalization but more often than not, it's true. Arrogance/Obnoxiousness usually go hand in hand with immaturity... regardless of how mature they think they are.

The only real plausible solution would be for ANet to actually implement a feature that allows us to turn down Tonic/Miniature/Extras sound effects... but we all know that is not going to happen.

And just to be fair, no matter what there will ALWAYS be griefers. They don't exist in Guild Wars alone. And sadly, most of these individuals are not "13 year old boys" as most of us always say. Most are 20+ that still have not grown up and learned to respect others.

With that said, although I also find all the random item spamming in main towns atrociously annoying, /not-signed.

Chabby · Jan 28, 2009, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by silv3rr

The ones that think the majority should change district or turn down their sound is a plausible solution is naive/arrogant with a mix of ignorance. Why do I say that? Simple, as mentioned by many others prior to this post, why should others adjust just because someone wants to have fun? This argument goes both ways.

So just because I do not care about them and just change district or turn off my sound if It gets annoying, it makes me naive, arrogant with ignorance?

Sure. You couldn't generalise more.

zwei2stein · Jan 28, 2009, 02:21 PM // 14:21

Can we have simple poll here?

Daesu · Jan 28, 2009, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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Originally Posted by Chabby

So just because I do not care about them and just change district or turn off my sound if It gets annoying, it makes me naive, arrogant with ignorance?

For yourself, do whatever you want. For the rest of us, we have already established, many posts back, that fleeing from them is NOT a good long term solution because you would encounter them again sooner or later, then you would have to flee again and again. Something needs to be done to fix the issue itself.

Shadowspawn X · Jan 28, 2009, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Daesu

And what makes you so sure that absolutely no one is doing this for the sheer fun of annoying people? So if I do this right now with my Yeti tonic I can simply prove you wrong right this moment.

All that would do is prove beyond any doubt is that malicious yeti spamming is a manufactured problem cooked up by a bunch of self righteous gamers to manipulate Anet into changing a game mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Daesu

I am sure there would be some who do that because it is fun to hear others complain about it, change district, or turn off their sound as recommended by some people here.

Those who are in Kamadon telling yeti tonic users to change districts and such are the true griefers. Why anyone feels they have a right to chase another player out of a district is beyond me. People verbally abusing Yeti tonic users are the real problem here. These are the malicious players not the yeti tonic users.

Daesu · Jan 28, 2009, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

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Nobody says every single Yeti tonic users are out there to cause trouble. But some of them are abusing it by spamming in town. If you think that these bad apples do not exist then you must be a very naive person.

silv3rr · Jan 28, 2009, 04:07 PM // 16:07

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Originally Posted by Chabby

So just because I do not care about them and just change district or turn off my sound if It gets annoying, it makes me naive, arrogant with ignorance?

Sure. You couldn't generalise more.

No, I'm not generalizing. Furthermore you completely missed the point I was making. Apologies if I was unclear (which I may be sometimes) but what I was trying to say is why do the NON-griefers have to adjust because of arrogant-brats that take pleasure in bothering people?

I'll use a real-life hypothetical situation: On a bus, a group of 3 kids climb aboard on what is already a crowded bus. They're loud, very loud and they're pushing each other around, remember the bus is crowded.

People are beginning to get aggravated. So based on the logic you and many others present (a plausible one also) here, the people that are getting annoyed - which I would assume would include EVERYONE - should get off and take a different bus or blast music in our ear to drown out sound emitting from their mouths. But that's fine, because they're just trying to have fun.

Yes that might be a little extreme but it's called knowing how to behave in society. But I'm not saying just because what I'm saying might be a tad true, that doesn't mean that the simple solution of avoiding the nuisance is never a good option. Sometimes it is good to just change districts.

My point: Griefers shouldn't get their way. Just wanting to have fun does not make it just.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Those who are in Kamadon telling yeti tonic users to change districts and such are the true griefers. Why anyone feels they have a right to chase another player out of a district is beyond me. People verbally abusing Yeti tonic users are the real problem here. These are the malicious players not the yeti tonic users.

And they have the right to annoy people? That logic can go both ways.

I'll reduce the maturity of this debate a few levels. "HE STARTED IT~!" - Sad, but it applies.

Martin Alvito · Jan 28, 2009, 04:49 PM // 16:49

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Originally Posted by silv3rr

Sometimes it is good to just change districts.

Might have been a valid option back in the day when there was more traffic, but today if you want to buy or sell something of value there's only one district you can go to. The probability that anyone in any other district in the game (except during events) can afford such items is infinitesimal.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

All that would do is prove beyond any doubt is that malicious yeti spamming is a manufactured problem cooked up by a bunch of self righteous gamers to manipulate Anet into changing a game mechanic.

Isn't this a game DESIGNED to reward such behavior normally? When players create highly efficient farms, are they not giving ANet the choice of letting the status quo in the economy explode or change a game mechanic?

Explain to me how motive matters here. ANet has taken upon itself the role of making mechanic changes in order to avoid undesirable consequences. It doesn't matter whether the problem is driven by players seeking profit or players seeking lulz.

If there's a problem, you fix it. Failing to do so makes you a failure. If ANet wants to continue to sell games, they cannot fail at design. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

Those who are in Kamadon telling yeti tonic users to change districts and such are the true griefers. Why anyone feels they have a right to chase another player out of a district is beyond me.

Your argument logically runs as follows:
1) I have the right to be really annoying and spam /sit -> ESC
2) If you don't like it, you should turn off sound or go to another district
3) You do not have the right to tell ME to GTFO and go to another district

Do you see the problem?

Let me be clear: spamming is the problem here. There hasn't been an outcry about the Automatonic or Skeletonic, and they make sounds as well. It's the /sit -> ESC spam that makes people upset. You don't get abused by people for double clicking a Yeti tonic. You DO get abused for spamming emotes. I'll accept any solution that prevents emote spam. I don't care how it's attained. You may prefer that at least some sounds remain. That's fine with me as long as there is no emote spam.

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Originally Posted by Shadowspawn X

People verbally abusing Yeti tonic users are the real problem here. These are the malicious players not the yeti tonic users.

Either a) you like annoying people or b) you don't realize you're defending annoying people. If it's a) then grow up. If it's b) then buy a clue.

silv3rr · Jan 28, 2009, 05:32 PM // 17:32

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

Might have been a valid option back in the day when there was more traffic, but today if you want to buy or sell something of value there's only one district you can go to. The probability that anyone in any other district in the game (except during events) can afford such items is infinitesimal.

Very true but not everyone in Kamadan AD1 are there to trade - but I don't really see any other reason for being there... maybe for the rich people have powerful rigs that want to go there and prey on the ones that complain about the lag just so they can say "not lagging for me" (was just a joke) - I understand that but I was just empathizing with both sides.

This sort of griefing isn't only apparent with yeit-/sit+esc spammers. Same applies to party item spamming... practically any sort of spamming in general.

Honestly, why do people get a kick out of being a nuisance? Do they not realize it makes them look stupid? - And then those people have the nerve to get pissed off when people tell them to stfu/gtfo. Come on, you're pissing people off, surely they're not expecting a positive reaction from the majority of the public.

Martin Alvito · Jan 28, 2009, 05:41 PM // 17:41

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Originally Posted by silv3rr

Honestly, why do people get a kick out of being a nuisance? Do they not realize it makes them look stupid? - And then those people have the nerve to get pissed off when people tell them to stfu/gtfo. Come on, you're pissing people off, surely they're not expecting a positive reaction from the majority of the public.

My wife is the child psychiatrist and is much better qualified to answer you, but as I understand it:

1) Kids like attention from adults
2) They enjoy negative attention if they cannot get positive attention
3) Thus, kids whose parents neglect them emotionally act out to get negative attention

There's also:
4) Teenagers (mostly males) enjoy annoying other people, because it makes them feel powerful

So: seemingly irrational behavior is motivated by the fact that their preferences differ from yours (ie: you don't enjoy annoying people).

Since we can't change their preferences, all we can do is take away their tools as best we can. Analogy: you don't reform a pyromaniac. You keep the pyromaniac away from matches. Same principle applies here.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 28, 2009, 05:46 PM // 17:46

correct me if I'm wrong, is the yeti tonic the only one of the evelasting that make noises?

Martin Alvito · Jan 28, 2009, 05:50 PM // 17:50

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

correct me if I'm wrong, is the yeti tonic the only one of the evelasting that make noises?

No, the Skeletonic randomly makes noises (growls), and the Automatonic makes noises when it ends /sit and also when it walks (unless you eat a Sweet Tooth item).

GhostKairi · Jan 28, 2009, 05:53 PM // 17:53

The level of fail produced in this Thread is Epic!

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 28, 2009, 05:59 PM // 17:59

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Originally Posted by Martin Alvito

No, the Skeletonic randomly makes noises (growls), and the Automatonic makes noises when it ends /sit and also when it walks (unless you eat a Sweet Tooth item).

I believe I seen someone spamming Automatonic noises in Kamadan a few times and in Grotto.

Empress Amarox · Jan 28, 2009, 06:08 PM // 18:08

They really need to let us disable tonic sounds.

Martin Alvito · Jan 28, 2009, 06:30 PM // 18:30

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Originally Posted by Sir Skullcrasher

I believe I seen someone spamming Automatonic noises in Kamadan a few times and in Grotto.

Haven't observed it myself, but it's reasonable to assume that this would be the next recourse of the griefer if only the sound from the Yeti using /sit were removed.

At least the Automatonic sound isn't nearly as loud or annoying.

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Originally Posted by GhostKairi

The level of fail produced in this Thread is Epic!

Good job with the meaningful contribution there.

Sir Skullcrasher · Jan 28, 2009, 06:44 PM // 18:44

well if someone was spamming non-stop. It kind of amplify the sound a bit so that it's loud.

beserk · Jan 28, 2009, 08:19 PM // 20:19

LMAO @ this thread.